“Gameness Fighting Championship VI”  takes place this weekend in Nashville, Tenn., at the Tennessee State Fairgrounds Sports Arena. It will be the most stacked non-UFC event the state has ever seen. Pro MMA Now (www.prommanow.com) felt this was  the perfect time to talk to Gameness promoter Ed Clay about this weekend’s show, and what the future holds for GFC, Tennessee’s largest and most successful MMA promotion.

We talked to Ed about his Mom, Regina, who seems to be just as involved and well-known in the MMA world as Ed. We also discussed Ed’s academy, Nashville MMA, and the high level talented fighters that call it home. And we covered a lot more, so check it out. He’s too young to be this damn successful… Mr. Ed Clay.

Hey Ed, thanks for speaking with us at Pro MMA Now (www.prommanow.com). How’s it going man, you guys got a big show this weekend in Nashville with “Gameness Fighting Championship VI.” You got Team Lloyd Irvin coming in, you got Josh Schockman fighting. This is definitely GFC’s biggest card to date. Can you talk a little about what you got going on this weekend?

I think it’s an amazing opportunity for us to showcase to Nashville all the talent we have coming out of Nashville MMA and Team Lloyd Irvin. Josh Schockman is fighting in the main event, Dustin West just moved to Nashville from Vegas and this will be his first fight with our team, our head BJJ instructor, black belt Pan American BJJ champion Shawn Hammonds is fighting, Dustin Ortiz is making his pro debut, one of my recruits, Chris Camacho is fighting and my coach and mentor Lloyd Irvin is bringing four guys from Maryland to fight and is going to be cornering the guys with me, it’s going to be awesome! There’s other amazing fights on the card. IMA has a guy fighting as does Bobby McClain. These are no doubt the best fighters in middle Tennessee are fighting guys from all over the country. Nashville MMA and Team Lloyd Irvin alone have six of our pros fighting!

I think you have about eight pro fights on this card. Is this a one time thing, or can we expect this level of professional talent from now on with Gameness? What can we look forward to in the future with GFC and how many shows are you trying to do this year?

We are going to start doing pro shows for every GFC event. Our Silverados card will be ammy but we have so many guys that are ready to turn pro that we have to have pro cards. You can only hold them amateur for so long. Look at Dustin Ortiz for example; the guy is 7-1 as an amateur with his only loss he fought two weight classes above where he’ll fight pro. He beat Thomas Campbell who was Pro MMA Now’s Amateur Fighter of the Year and that was at 145. We were having him fight at 145 just to get him competition and he was still running through those guys. He’s fighting pro at 135 Saturday but that’s only because we wanted a competitive fight for him. At 125 he’s going to be an animal.

You got a couple of guys who have been tearing up the amateur ranks for awhile now making their pro debut on this card. Who do we have turning pro on this card that the fans should keep a look out for?

It’s good experience for the guys I have to fight amateur, but for my full time fighters, it’s really not much competition out there for them for experience and I like them to be able to fight amateur boxing and Muay Thai matches to sharpen their standup. We have one of the best BJJ schools in the country so on the ground it’s easy for them. Plus we set up gameplans for every fighter and when you’re fighting ammy’s a good gameplan is many times all you need to win.

As far as guys to look out for, Dustin Ortiz for one. He’ll be a top ten 125 pound fighter within the next two years. His job is to train and I take care of his bills. He’s training three times a day right now. He has a great work ethic and has an amazing gas tank. The kid is not messing around. His stand up is looking sharp, he’s trained with Dominick Cruz who’s one of the top 135-pound fighters in the world and he takes his lumps and keeps on coming.

Shawn Hammonds is fighting on this card which is going to be huge. Shawn is one of the top American BJJ guys out there and he’s our head BJJ instructor. Shawn’s a little old to start fighting but he’s got a ton of competition experience and could make a run over the next three years.

Dustin West just moved in from Vegas and the guy is tough as nails. He’s very coachable and has a great work ethic. His manager, Jeff has helped us out a lot and it’s great to have them on the team now.

Josh Schockman is the best local fighter in Nashville, outside of Dave Herman of course. Josh is a UFC veteran and has a 10-2 record. His standup is really slick and his BJJ has been getting a lot better. Plus he’s fighting at 205 and he no longer has to fight the giants at heavyweight. Josh is only 28 and can be a legitimate top 20 light heavy. He’s one of Brandon Vera’s sparring partners and can hang with anyone standing.

Chris Camacho is a recruit we have that moved here in October. He beat Guardian’s Jimmy Hayes with three weeks training. Jimmy has a black belt in karate and a blue belt under Guardian, which obviously didn’t do him any good. But Camacho is tough. He was a college football All-American and played briefly in the NFL. He’s cutting to 155 for this fight and is in great shape. I actually really think the kid has a bright future. He’s got a good attitude, great work ethic, and amazing athletic ability.

Right now our training room is ridiculous as far as talent level. The only serious people in the area are training at our gym. On any given day you can have 5 BJJ black belts, 20+ fighters, world and Pan American medalist in BJJ and pros that have fought on the biggest shows in the world including the UFC, Strikeforce, Sengoku, and Dream.

That is sick. Now that you have these top level guys, does Nashville MMA get a lot of fighters from around the area coming in who want to work with these guys who have fought on the big shows, and do you have other fighters from around the country coming in and training on a regular basis?

Well we have a lot of guys from around the country training on a regular basis. The best fighters in the world stop in on a regular basis to say hello and train. The other fighters in Nashville pretty much stay away. I think it’s one of those things where they’re a big fish in a little pond at their school and when they come into Nashville MMA they’re a small fish in a big pond. Someone who is average at our gym will make them look bad and that’s a hard pill to swallow for some. But really it’s the only way to get better.So I’d say we get more guys coming in from all over the country than the area. To me it just proves my point that the other gyms would rather talk about being this and that but really have no aspirations of fighting at a high level. It’s hilarious to me, some of the local fighters who go around talking about how they’re “UFC” fighters when they’ve just won small local amateur shows against guys who don’t train. They have a false sense that they’re actually good. Truth is they’ve been fighting tomato cans and wouldn’t last past the first round with anyone that had real skill or trained real MMA.

I even have some guys that train with me that are 4-0 or 5-0 that have a false sense that they’re good. I have to keep them in check because they think they’re a lot better than they really are. There’s a whole other level out there of fighters that they just don’t understand. There’s guys like Dave Herman that will make them look bad. I mean, Dustin Ortiz is a perfect example, he’s a real fighter and he just plays with guys at the amateur level. That said, I know he’s got a long way to go to be at the top. Other schools would already think that he’s ready. What do I do, I send him to go train with Dominick Cruz to see where he’s really at. Dominick of course beat him, but I was able to gauge the reality of where Dustin was really at. The next gauge will be when I send him to train with Mike Easton who is the UWC champ at 135 and is ranked in the top 15 in the world right now. No one else around here has access to that. No one has access to go train with Brandon Vera, Phil Davis, Rhadi Ferguson, or anyone on that level. They think it’s good when some TUF veteran comes in and trains. We just have a whole other level of training that people around here don’t understand because they don’t know any better.

That is smart to test them against established guys. Now with some of your guys turning pro on this card, I know you must be proud to see someone you have worked with for so long, and put so much time into, take the next step in their career, and really start their career, to where now they can make some money and start receiving compensation for their hard work. They have to be very happy, and you must be very happy for them to see how far they’ve come, and excited about where they are headed. How does that feel?

It’s a great feeling watching their hard work pay off. These guys train hard. It’s their job to train and they take it very seriously. The greatest part of my job is seeing someone make a goal in the beginning and be able to fulfill their goal. I have four guys right now who’s goal it is to become UFC champion. We have a set plan and we’re working toward it every day. It’s a team effort. We have people who move here from all over the country and they know up front what is expected of them and we work towards the same goal. I’m very goal oriented, so seeing these guys do well is the best part of the job.

Talk to us about Shawn Hammonds. He’s the jiu-jitsu coach at Nashville MMA. We interviewed him the other day and he said he taught you your very first armbar. The guy is a country singer with a record deal, he’s getting ready to make his MMA debut. He seems like a very interesting and talented guy… what kind of influence has Shawn had on you and how do you think he’ll do in his MMA debut; he said he is rusty in his stand up, but will he even need it?

Shawn Hammonds is one of my best friends. Most importantly he’s a great person. His BJJ is sick, he’s got solid wrestling, he’s strong as an ox and he’s mean on the mat. It is really cool that Shawn is fighting and something he’s always wanted to do. Everyone at the school is behind him and you’ve heard me talk about the team, well it’s a team thing so we’re all coming together as a team and rallying behind Shawn. Shawn can sing his ass off too if you like old country music he’s your man.

I do in fact like traditional country music. Of course I have to ask you about Dave “Pee Wee” Herman, one of the top rising heavyweight talents in MMA right now. How’s Dave doing and, I know he has a Sengoku fight coming up. How’s he looking and who is he fighting over there in Japan?

Dave is amazing. His fight in Sengoku just got canceled but he’s doing great. I’ve never met anyone like Dave. He’s the most athletically gifted person I know. I think within 18 months he’ll be considered one of the best in the world. Everyone who trains with him is amazed. I’ve brought a lot of good guys into train with him and they all are amazed. The guy can do things that you’d never dream of. He’s working on getting bigger now. I’d like him to get uo to around 260 and keep the same bodyfat. He kicks hard, knee’s hard punches hard his bjj is good and he has good wrestling. The guys has all the tools to be a champ. He’s just gotta put in the effort at this point.

Talk to us about Rhadi Ferguson, the 2004 Judo Olympian, who just announced he will be fighting in MMA. What can we expect out of Rhadi?

Rhadi is amazing. He’s a world class athlete with a great work ethic. The guy knows what needs to be done to be a champion and win. He’s a judo Olympain, has a doctorate and engineering degree. He’s got everything he needs to be a world champion. I only work with people that I like and think are good people and he’s a great person with good moral values. It’s really an honor to be working with him.

One thing I wanted to ask you about was your mom, Regina Clay. Tell us about your mom. How did she get so involved with the fight game? Did it start out as just a way to support what you were doing, because this lady is pretty amazing with everything she’s into? Give the readers an idea what I’m talking about, what are some of the things she’s involved with?

My mom is a great woman. I can’t begin to explain all the things she does for me, my business and the sport of MMA. Both her and my dad have supported me from day one and are the reason I’ve been able to build multiple multi-million dollar companies. We started with a $5,000 business loan and that was all we needed to build up everything we have today. It’s a great success story and we worked together to build this thing. I know that without my mom none of this would have succeeded. She runs things and deals with me being scatter-brained. I have so many ideas but sometimes it’s hard for me to explain what I want done and she figures it out.

If you look at all my business adventures, she has been a part of all of them. My parents have a belief in me and know what I’m capable of and just support me and let me run with the ideas. People don’t understand how I operate but my parents taught me that it doesn’t matter what people think of you as long as you are doing what you believe is right and are being a good person in your mind by doing this. I can care less what the general public thinks of me because I’m doing what I believe is the right thing. My parents taught me this and they are both amazing people.

That is really awesome. Yeah your Dad is really cool too, I didn’t mean to leave him out but he seems to be more behind the scenes. Thanks for taking time to speak with us today Ed. I know it’s an extremely busy week for you. Was there anyone you wanted to thank or send any shout outs?

I’d like to thank my parents, Lloyd Irvin for all the business support and friendship he has given me, everyone at Nashville MMA whether it be my students or staff, Eddie Bravo, Dan Lambert, Scotty Nelson, there’s just a ton of people who have helped me to get to where I’m at today. And thank you Jack for this interview.

90 thoughts on “Gameness spotlight: Ed Clay – a ProMMAnow.com interview”
  1. Ed,
    Sounds like a good card. Thomas would love to fight Dustin Ortiz
    at 135. We asked Mike Camp for this and was told that Dustin is
    now dropping to 125. Thomas was just a wrestler when they fought
    but he is a totally different fighter now and I personally think Thomas would
    beat Dustin. We would be happy to have them fight on your fight card.

  2. Thomas is a good fighter but Dustin really dominated him. Thomas couldn’t stop Dustins takedown even with his wrestling background. Since this match already happened a good match would be Thomas and Cory Robison at 135. Dustin will be fighting at 125 in the future. If you’d like to set that fight up I’d be all for it and if Thomas could beat Cory then I would ask Dustin if he’d like to give him a rematch.

  3. I’d like to see Ortiz fight Pentington. His coaches would have to agree but I think it’d be a great fight. It would have to be pro now and I’m not sure if Pennington has turned pro yet. The belt is an amateur belt…

  4. Dustin has only had 4 fights since Thomas Campbell and him fought. Thomas has had 13 fights since then. Cory has had what 1or 2? Cory hasn’t earned the rights to fight Thomas.
    Cory has great BJJ but Thomas is much more rounded. Thomas is willing to drop weight to fight Dustin Ortiz. How about Cory fights one of my 145ers on my show to earn the rights to fight Thomas. Thomas has already more then earned the rights to fight Dustin Ortiz.

  5. Very nice interview Jack. I’ve known Ed since he was selling t-shirts out of the trunk of his car. He’s a self made man and that’s what I respect about him. I may not always see his perspective but I am very glad that he gave me an opportunity to try to build something special with him. His mom & dad are awesome and I’m probably tighter with them than with Ed himself! lol. They have always supported and encouraged me in my career as well. This is only the start of things to come….

  6. Cory is fighting at 135. When Brian Tidwell fought your guys Steven Durr, Durr was something like 8-1 and Brian was 1-0. So by your thinking I guess Bryan hadn’t earned the right to fight Durr even though Bryan won easily even being out of shape.

    In my opinion a BJJ world champ like Cory would beat Campbell and with Campbell’s experience it would make things even. It’s good you have confidence in your guy but the only way to see who would win would be to have them fight. We already saw what happened with Durr and Campbell in there first two fights with a light Dustin Ortiz and an out of shape Brian Tidwell. They easily beat your two best guys.

  7. What I love about Ed is he always tells it like he see’s it. Dude is brutally honest and I think people get mad at him because he tells the truth even when it upsets people. Of course people are jealous too of his success. Everytime I hear someone say something bad about him they really can’t pinpoint anything he’s specifically done, they just heard it from another.

    I guess someone who has made his millions by 25 years old gets some haters along the way. Rumor has it he’s going to be running for senate so I’m sure the haters will be coming out of the woodworks!

  8. I’m confused by the comments. Is Corey going to fight Campbell? I’d like to see Campbell fight Ortiz and I wouldn’t mind seeing Campbell fight Corey too.

    I didn’t get to see the first fight between Ortiz and Campbell and now have seen both guys fight and would like to see who would come out on top.

  9. Ed, let me be total honest since you will not. We were told that the Durr/Tidwell fight was a 3×5 title fight but you guys stopped it after the 2nd round and gave Tidwell the Dec. Tidwell did have better position most of the fight because Durr kept going for Submissions. At the end of the 2nd round Tidwell had to be helped out of the ring because Durr hurt Tidwell with a few ankle and leg locks. At the end of the night Tidwell had to be helped out of the building. If there were a 3rd round Durr would have won the fight. Who the hell has ever heared of a two round title fight. By the way Durr only had 6 months of training at that point and was slapping leg locks on your bjj guy.

  10. “you guys” would be the wka which has nothing to do with me. They are the sanctioning body. For ammy’s they either have 3 3 minute rounds or 2 5 minute rounds. Bryan didn’t have to be helped out of the builiding because of his ankles. Like I said above, he was out of shape. Bryan is almost impossible to ankle lock. His ankles will bend for days.

    When Dustin Ortiz fought Chris Wright for the title it was 2 5 minute rounds. I would have loved another round, but like I said I have nothing to do with the sanctioning body and that’s there rules.

    And LOL at Durr “slapping on ankle locks on my bjj guys”. Obviously they didn’t work because he couldn’t finish them. And saying “if we only had one more round” is a comment I never let my guys make. The coulda, shoulda, woulda, attitude is not how winners think. You either did or you didn’t and the fact is in the end he didn’t.

    I could think of a number of fights where my guys could of won if they would have just… but the fact is you either win or lose. No excuses.

    And if Durr was 8-1 with only 6 months of training great for Durr. He’s got good potential. But the fact is Durr and Campbell, your two best guys, were defeated by two Nashville MMA fighters. If Campbell would like to fight Cory I’m sure we can set that up, but understand that Thomas would likely lose.

    And Jim, to clarify I’d like to see Cory fight Thomas. Not really interested in seeing Dustin fight Thomas again unless he could beat Cory.

  11. Ok, keep spinning. Fact, Thomas is 17-2. Fact: he is ProMMAnow.com’s (your website) ammy fighter of the year for 2009 and HooknShoot 8 man tourney champion. Fact: he is by far the 145 to beat in the state of TN and Ky, for that matter. He has eclipsed Dustin. Fact: Thomas has been fighting very high caliber opponents in IN, TN, KY, OH, VA and LA. The idea that he should have to beat Cory to “earn” a shot at Dustin is laughable. But, whatever, all coaches look out for their guys and want to put the best spin on things as they can. And, when you own your own media outlet it makes it pretty easy, lmao. Just bc someone might have the loudest voice doesn’t make it truth. And, Durr did hurt Tidwell, say whatever you want. We all saw it. And, it wasn’t a last minute fight, so saying he went in out of shape is an excuse that I never let my guys use. Winners don’t make excuses, right? And, if it’s true that Tidwell went into the fight out of shape that’s on his trainers and management for not preparing their fighter like they should have. I wasn’t making excuses for Durr. But, the fact remains that we went into that fight with the understanding that there would be a minimum of three rounds but possibly 5 rounds. It was 15 minutes before the show started that we were told it was going two rounds. We were shocked. And, he did have just 6 months experience at the time and he did hurt NMMA’s hotshot. I don’t make excuses for Durr, it was his lack of experience that caused him to let up on the ankle lock two different times instead of breaking it like I told him to. That was on Durr and he was chewed out for it. And, my guys know now if the opponent doesn’t tap then they are to break it. No more losing fights bc they don’t want to be the “bad guy.” Whatever, enough of this. Like I said everyone’s got a perspective. It just so happens that mine is the correct one, lmao. And more and more teams are feeling my way about things. Good luck to all of NMMA’s guys. We respect everyone who gets in the ring or cage. Lots of fun, verbal sparrin’ you, Ed. Always amused by these little exchanges, haha!

  12. Ron it’s obviously killing you that your two best fighters got beat by Nashville MMA guys, rather easily. All of your “facts” aside, it is a fact Dustin Ortiz easily beat Thomas Campbell.LOL

    It’s also pretty apparent that you don’t want Thomas to fight Cory. Can you imagine if all the trash you just talked if a 1-0 Nashville MMA fighter beat your golden boy again.

    You also contradicted yourself. You said “let me be total honest since you will not. We were told that the Durr/Tidwell fight was a 3×5 title fight but you guys stopped it after the 2nd round and gave Tidwell the Dec”. Then in your next comment you said “But, the fact remains that we went into that fight with the understanding that there would be a minimum of three rounds but possibly 5 rounds. It was 15 minutes before the show started that we were told it was going two rounds. ” So was it supposed to be 3 or 5 rounds Ron? And when has an amateur fight ever been 5 rounds? Sounds like you have your own spin there buddy.

    And the LOL at “more teams are feeling my way about things”. Ed can care less what others think and we’ve been hearing of this group for a while now. The proof is in the fighters they produce and if they can beat some of our guys in Nashville maybe he’d start taking them more seriously. Everyone saw how your best faired against them… 2 of there combined 5 losses are to Nashville MMA guys!LMAO

  13. Being the greatest ever is a tough gig. And as the greatest I can tell you that there are two kinds of people in the, Winners and Loosers. Here is the deal people Cambell vs. Ortiz the WINNER was Ortiz. That makes Ortiz a winner and Cambell a LOOSER. No one cares that Cambells record has improved or any of that unimportant nonsense, all that matters is that Cambell looses against Ortiz. With that being said when it comes to those two fighting Ortiz is better. I meen if we are listening to this Ron guy that means that Thomas Cambell can beat Randy Couture cause his record is 17-10 so since Cambell has less losses he is not only better but a guy like Randy does’nt even deserve a shot against him. What nonsense. And while we are on the subject of records, Cambells win are almost all against guys with looseing records. How pittyfull.
    Now lets talk about Tidwell vs. Durr. Tidwell won makeing him the WINNER and Durr lost making him the LOOSER. Simple as that folks. Now I’m sure you could make the argument that if Durr had one more round he would have one, but he did’nt. Oh but wait guys hold on if Durr would have had a pistol he would have won, no wait if Durr had a ninja sword, no no if Durr had the Infinity Guantlet yeah, thats it, if he had the silver surfer steal it and bring if to him in the third round then there is now way Tidwell could win right. Well piss ants, that did’nt happen. Tidwell won, Durr lost, live in the now, get over it and DEAL WITH IT RON!!! Oh and a little FYI how is it that Durr only had 6 months training when in fact he had his first fight against Brandon Taylor on 6/14/08 and he fought Tidwell on 2/14/09. Those two fights are 8 months apart. Do the math Ron, once again its you twisting facts. Sounds like your logic is off. Sounds like Cambell is scared to fight Cory, sounds like Durr is a sore looser, and it sounds like Ron has no body for Ortiz. Matter of fact it sounds like all Rons got for anyone is missinformation and excuses. But hey what do I know, I’m just the greatest ever.

  14. I would just stop making excuses and either take the fight with cory or just understand the fact that your top guys haven’t beaten our guys. good luck

  15. Rob you are just following your leader and don’t know shit. I argued at the show that it had to be three rounds and it was agreed (2 rounds could easily end in a draw and is stupid). But when Tidwell went to his corner at the end of the 2nd round the fight was stopped because it was a 2 round fight.

    We have beaten NMMA guys in the past as well. Big Country lost to our guy James Nickerson who was 1-0 at the time. He went on to become the USMTA US HW Champion that same year. Our kids BJJ team came in 1St at the NAGA Nationals, the NMMA kids program came in 3 or 4th I believe. You were not part of what was going on at the fights mentioned above so you are just repeating what was told to you by Ed and are full of crap.

    I do not talk poorly of NMMA fighters so please refrain from talking about my guys. This is about a particular fight. I don’t give a shit about Cory, he is good BJJ player and we don’t have a history or problem with him. Ed brought up the Dustin/Campbell fight with misleading info. So I corrected it. We would like to have them fight again. That’s where it stands. We can pick and choose fighters that would or would not match up with each other all day long but the subject at hand is Dustin/Campbell and Tidwell/Durr.

    And for your info Rob, Zack Hicks just fought and won the ICF 155 AMATEUR title in KY this weekend and it was five 3 minute rounds(we have been in many 5 round Ammy fights). So amateur fights do go 5 rounds.

  16. well he was beat by dustin so you should just consider fighting cory the road back to fighting dustin. Doesnt seem like a stretch to me. Also did you really mention kids jiu jitsu. lol when you have to reach that far out you are really out of facts. lol

  17. Kenny, NMMA always mentions that they are the best at BJJ, Muay Thai, MMA, Thai jitsu?…. So yes, I mentioned it. Because NMMA put out a bulletin (about that NAGA when it happened) that they were 3rd or 4th in the nation and that nobody in TN can compete at their level when in fact we did compete and we did beat them and they acted like it never happened. Good luck with your training and fighting career.

  18. i mean our kids our good but how did you go from mma to kids bjj? i mean thats a stretch right? lol

  19. regaurdless you are missing the point. fight cory then if oyu win fight dustin. it gives you what you want and if your guy who you claim is going to be better then cory can beat him then he can fight dustin. easy

  20. Reed Cook 0-2
    Marcus Fletcher 0-2
    Ron Morrow 1-4
    Lucas Thomas 0-1
    What’s the common theme here? All of Eds and Team Irvins fighters fought bums. No wonder they can’t sell out the Fairgrounds or get 500 paying customers into Municipal. If Gameness wanted to put on competitive fights instead of lining up tomato cans to pad Nashville MMA fighters records they might do better.

    How many fans did the show in Murfreesboro earlier this month draw?
    How many fans did the Music City show draw at Municipal draw? Not many but still twice as many as the last Gameness show there.

    Ron is right there is a consensus around middle TN about Nashville MMA and the way they do business and it’s bad business. How many fighters from reputable gyms from middle Tennessee were on his show last night? It wasn’t out of jealosy that they boycotted the show as Ed would have you believe. They are tired of the way Nashville MMA tries to bully everyone around and blackball other promoters and gyms.

    How often do you see Dustin Ortiz fight on a show that isn’t set up by Nashville MMA. Of course he’s going to have a good record. He’s being protected. At least Thomas Campbell fights on other shows, not just those set up by SSF.
    Oh and in Rons defense Thomas Campbells last opponent Anthony Jones was 9-3.

  21. Mistake on my part, our kids came in 2nd in the nation at NAGA. But still beat every other youth BJJ program in the state and we did it with a smaller team.

    And, Kenny, I’m surprised at you. I thought we were friendly. I didn’t attack any fighters. All I did was correct something that was said to make my guy look bad bc he’s been getting a lot of (well deserved) attention. Ed mentioned Campbell bc it’s the only notable fighter that Ortiz beat and it was early on in Campbell’s fight career. And, really this whole thing about him fighting Cory is ridiculous. We’re being accused of dodging Cory, lmfao??? Well, from our perspective it appears that NMMA is dodging an Ortiz/Campbell rematch. I mean, come on guys, this is hilarious.

    Wow, Stupidest Ever, it’s very clear that you are mentally challenged and a LOSER (not looser, moron). Before you start talking records/losing records, etc. research your own guys and who they fought, having a perfect record against all guys that have losing records isn’t an accomplishment. My guys fight tough opponents with more often then not winning records and have entered 8 man tourneys not knowing who they would fight at all. I can’t believe what an idiot you are, and, wow man, your Randy Couture analogy was fucking genius. I mean, holy shit, you must be a fucking genius, stupidest ever. Wow, just wow . . . asshat.

    Nice to see the way you guys make this personal. Personal attacks are fun, and I’m pretty good at them, but that wasn’t my intention with correcting some of Ed’s comments in the above interview. Of course, I think Thomas would beat Ortiz, of course I do. He’s my fighter, he’s really good, and he deserves a rematch. NMMA is dodging not us. What in the world do we give a shit about Campbell at 145, 17-2 fighting Cory at 135, 1-0? The idea’s insulting, no offense to Cory who I’ve been told has good BJJ, but really.

    And Christ man! Stupidest Ever, I can’t get over how stupid you are. I think I’ve moved past it and then, Bam!, there it is again, the realization that I’ve probably just exchanged words with the dumbest person I’ll ever meet.

    Once again, good luck everyone, it’s been fun!

  22. Hahaha @ Jack! Kat loves Bluprint Cru and I think Poreotix is pretty badass (haha, wonder if that’s cause their all Asian, as am I? Hmmm . . . ) But, yeah, have to agree that the Jabawakees were both our favorites. And, in my defense, she makes me watch all the time, I really wouldn’t watch it on my own, really, lol.

  23. Dude Blueprint Crew is awesome, saw them for the first time today. I liked the ones who used comedy too, forgot their name, but used a lot of theatrics.

  24. Kat said she’s pretty sure you’re talking about Static Noyze, she really likes them too. She said, and I quote, “they do a lot of performance pieces with more theatrics then the other teams, but they still have great athleticism and strength.” Lmao at my wife. Jack, you and Kat should have a ABDC night, maybe she’ll let me have a night off. The regionals building up to the national competition are killing me. It’s ABDC at my house almost every night now.

  25. I’d like to see Thomas Campbell and Ron fight Ed and Dustin Ortiz in the first ever loser leaves town MMA tag team match

  26. Jabawakees!!!! And for everyone else.. namely ‘first name’, when you are insulting someone, it goes over better if you proofread your comments; otherwise, you not only seem ignorant– you prove it. lol Looser, uhm LOSER, smh dumbass

  27. alright, tidwell had better positioning on me but not once did he try for a submission. while i was on bottom workin off subs tidwell didnt do shit but control…. i had an heel hook attempt in the first round which was fairly close and in the second round i got him in a toe hold which i regret not ripping it off, i try to be a good respectful fighter but when i hear crap like this about me and my team(SSF) it really pisses me off.. and campbell is a great fighter the hardest ive faught which ive faught at 170lbs 3 times and i may have only weighed like 155lbs. Saying any of us run away from fights, then u are sadly mistakin im sure campbell and i would get in there with anyone u put in front of us…

  28. wow, well I’d rather be the stupidest ever than the biggest liar ever. Word is you tell people that you have a 16 and 0 pro fight record, but if you do any research you’ve never had a fight ever. Also hear that john ivey used to teach at your school untill you ran out of money and could’nt afford to pay him anymore. Also hear that your wife is the man of the house, no wonder you sit on a computer all night and talk bad about successfull people. Looks like it your only outlet huh tuff guy. Also hear that your supposed to fight mike merriman but are to afraid to face him, in fact he called you out at hooters and you got scared and ran like a little girl. And you talk about eds show but it sounds like your show is last on the list here in clarksville. Your pathetic Ron and so is your so called fight school, scientific streetfighting academy, wow thats lame. Please tell the people on here your credentials cause I would love to hear them. Ron your a joke and so are your fighters.

  29. I stopped at Reed Cook because it was obviously misinformation… I haven’t checked yet but I think we sold out last night. And comparing SSF’s BJJ team to ours is funny.

    And let’s not forget that Thomas Campbell lost to Dustin Ortiz. Why don’t all of the schools who have a problem with us put together there best and fight us. I’ll put up the money… Every weight class. Seems fair. And btw we had 20 fights last night. Doesn’t seem like we’re having problems getting fighters.

    Below is Reed Cooks record.

    Reed Cook
    Pro Record: 7-3-0 (Win-Loss-Draw)
    Team: AllstarMMA

    08/11/2007 Loss Clay Hale Extreme fighting League 8/11/07 Submission Rear Naked Choke 1 0:28
    NSF 05/12/2007 Win Julio Reyes AR Fights Production Inc: Arkansas Title Fight Night Submission Choke 1 1:14
    04/07/2007 Loss Jeremy Combrink Extreme Fighting League KO 1 1:45
    NSF 02/03/2007 Win Fabriano Silva Arkansas Warriors KO 1 2:00
    NSF 02/03/2007 Win Luke Manchen Arkansas Warriors KO 2 0:39
    NSF 02/03/2007 Win Wes Simm Arkansas Warriors Submission Arm Bar 1 2:27
    NSF 12/09/2006 Win Lance Dooley AR Fights Production Inc: Battle at the Brinkley KO 1 0:47
    NSF 12/09/2006 Win Dan Ford AR Fights Production Inc: Battle at the Brinkley TKO/RSC Referee Stoppage 3 1:14
    NSF 12/09/2006 Win Jose Hernandez AR Fights Production Inc: Battle at the Brinkley Decision Unanimous Decision 3
    NSF 12/03/2005 Loss Felipe Espinoza World Fighting Organization TKO/RSC 2 1:13

  30. alright “greatest ever” shut ur mouth ur a piece of crap.. look ill fight any 145er u set in front of me.. and i garentee i will sub any of eds guys, and for a pro naga champion and a bjj purple belt (brian tidwell) me haveing “8” months of trainin period no prior experience, just what ive learned from SSF i went to a decision with NMMA’s golden boy that kid couldnt even get a submission attemp on me…. great he took me down and stayed on top doing ZERO damage what so ever, and he be damned if he wanted any part of my stand up. if the back of my head hit my back i wouldnt want any part of it either, i’ll be damned if im going to chill on top .. all my wins are in the first and second round, i hate decisions and ive never won a decision with a record of 10-4 all my losses were to a decision…. but anyways keep trash talkin nobody cares.. put up a fight and we will finish it.

  31. i am nice i was just making the point that if i lose to someone and they say i have to fight someone else to be able to fight them again i would take the road i have to travel to get back to the person i want to fight. seems pretty easy to figure that out.

  32. Hilarious, Hilarious, Hilarious, Hilarious, Hilarious, Hilarious! To all of it. Plenty of people know my credentials, it’s not hard to find if you really look other then just listening to gym gossip. Hilarious, Hilarious, Hilarious, Hilarious, Hilarious, Hilarious! People know I’m good, plenty of people at plenty of gyms and they all know who they are. Hilarious, Hilarious, Hilarious, Hilarious, Hilarious, Hilarious! And, at Hooters, I offered to walk outside right there on the spot but since then Mike and I have settled our differences. Hilarious, Hilarious, Hilarious, Hilarious, Hilarious, Hilarious! And, Ivey and I are completely cool now, but I fired him because he wasn’t teaching the way I wanted him too, and Ivey knows that. Ivey is now training at our school. Hilarious, Hilarious, Hilarious, Hilarious, Hilarious, Hilarious!

    And, on a personal note, my school is named SSF in honor of my best friend since I was 15 yrs old, Bill Anderson who was selected for Pride’s Bushido (the young ones) league. Bill was a Lion’s Den fighter (which is where I came out of as well) and he was killed in a car accident in Japan a few months after starting training, he had been engaged two weeks. Scientific Street Fighting is the name he had picked for his school. He had the pleasure of running his own school for about a year before the Bushido opportunity arose. I asked his parents if they thought it would be ok and they were happy about it. And, on a separate note, I always thought SSF was a cool name, a little nod to Bruce Lee, the first MMA guy out there.

  33. Hey my name is Ron and my kids program that I don’t teach or have anything to do with came in first this one time at naga, so that makes Thomas Cambell a better fighter than Dustin Ortiz even though he lost really bad in a fight they had. Its true, the fact that Ortiz tooled him means nothing, my kids won a tournament one time. Matter of fact since my kids won that makes me the best around, even though I duck team wildside and everyone else in clarksville, but the kids make me the best in mma. Yeah sure my wife orders me around and is my boss but my kids grappling program makes me the man. Ron your a fag.

  34. Oh, and I’m 40 yrs old. The records are incorrect now for guys fighting currently. Of course, the records are screwed up from when I fought. I haven’t fought since was 27yrs old. And, no one ever said 16-0. Don’t know where that came from, but it wasn’t me. So, yeah, keep looking that up. While you’re at it, try looking up half the fighters you know now and see if their records are accurate. Asshat.

    You know who I am, who are you?

  35. also durr i just want to point out cory can fight at 145. you are are saying you will sub him. i mean not to be a jerk but i would honestly put money on it.

  36. I know lol. I just wanted to correct what I felt was a misinformation about the Campbell/Ortiz fight and it morphed into this. But, lol it always seems to with me. I just got lots of opinions on these things. But, lmao, you know what they say about people and their opinions . . .? hahaha

  37. huh, thats funny. you never mentioned any names or credentials in your response except for some dead guy from the lions den that can’t vouch for you. looks like you wrote the word hilarious alot to fill up the blank space that your credentials don’t fill up. the only thing hilarious about this is you, your so called gym, or the fact that Durr is lying, cause I know he lost one time at that joke of a fight show at froggy’s (the venue you got kicked out of) by brutal knock out. Ron your a sad person.

    p.s. Looked up your name on mma.tv and magically no fight record came up.

  38. i was talking about at 145. it was a 170 title fight douche bag. he cut down to 170 and i was like 155 huge disadvantage. and hell ya i took a beating and it wasnt a knockout at all. i got knock down and the ref called it, and i took one hell of a beating before i went down. and quit runnin ur mouths this is soo freaking rediculous.. and ron is the best coach ive ever meet and as far as his teaching goes, its outstanding and he is extremely knowledgeable….

  39. first name– grow the fuck up. Who are you? What’s your problem… I mean, besides ignorance and terrible grammar. Step up. Quit hiding. And really, calling people faggots and insulting someone’s wife… manly. what a joke!

  40. and why in the hell are u getting personal with this bullshit.. talking about rons wife, that fucked up in soo many ways. me nor ron are knocking anyone on here and u talking about dudes wife.. WTF be a fucking man..

  41. All but the part about my wife is funny. But it’s the nature of the game, assholes will be assholes. I think this is the prick that was starting shit on the coach’s blog.

    Ed, which house did you end up with?

  42. I love how first name: greatest is trying to call Ron a keyboard warrior but he won’t mention his name or credentials. So who’s the real keyboard warrior? lol

  43. Lol, Ed. I wouldn’t mind having that problem. I’m stuck with two houses. I really want to unload one in VA but the damn market won’t let me.

  44. I’d like to unload all of them but the market is horrible… let me know if you’d like to buy one:)

  45. whoever is writing this please chill with the comments on Ron’s family. A disagreement between Ron and I have nothing to do with his wife…

  46. WOW…people are getting ruthless on here. It was all good and funny til they are talking about peoples families and making fun of a tradegic losses which we named our school after. I cant beleive they are even allowing this to go on here.

    Yeah I lost to Dustin Ortiz. Ed I wouldn’t say a decision is a dominant win especially since it was a good exciting fight which went on for all 3 rounds. yeah I’m mad I lost but at least I lost to a good fighter like him. I’m happy I did cause it only made me better. I’ve been training twice as hard, won twice as many fights, and recived so many different acheivements since then. I know if we fought now it would be another war that could go either way. I would love to fight him again but I’m not really even worried about him. It would be nice to revenge a loss and would be a great fight. If it happens it happens. If everybody wants to see it then we can do it. I’m always ready for a good fight. The only reason this even got brought back up is cause you had to try and make us look bad. I appeciate you saying that he does have a win over a great fighter like myself but dont think you had to insult anybody in the process. Are you really worried about ssf that you have to go and say something bad about us and try to make us look bad. You and every one else knows that we have a very respectable school with some of the best instructors in the area as well as having some of the most outstanding fighters. I’m sure Ortiz and Tidwell would agree because they were lucky enough to pull off TOUGH DECSIONS against us.

    And as to “First name: Greatest/ Last name: Ever”, you’re lucky you dont post your real name on here cause you would be the first one to get their ass whoopped.

  47. For now we’re going to leave the comments open, because I think there is some interesting dialog going on (aside from the personal attacks). But no more personal attacks. Already banned one.

  48. Thomas,

    I mentioned you in the interview because I thought it was a good win for Dustin. I thought Dustin dominated the fight in being he was in no danger, controlled where the fight went and won every round. That’s what I was saying in my first couple comments but not trying to put you down if you read back. Ron got defensive and I’ve been laughing the whole time thinking this whole thing was funny. It’s really not even about you or Durr… I think your both good, I just think it’s funny how mad Ron gets. So I’ve been putting salt in the wound this whole time laughing at Ron getting mad.

    Then all the other hilarious posts. This has been a really funny thread… And btw congrats on all of your accomplishments this year. You have done great, stepped up and fought whoever. This has really been about me getting a kick out of making Ron livid on the computer. I’m sorry for knocking SSF. For me though when Ron comes at Nashville MMA and puts your schools accomplishements against ours, all I have to do is show the facts and records and mention that a couple of my guys beat you and Durr and he gets mad. The truth is I really don’t even care, I just know it makes him mad so I say it…

    Even with the Cory thing, I think Cory would have a good chance of beating you or Durr now but that’s not a knock on either of you. You guys could win too. But me saying that got him fired up and I was having fun and telling it like I saw it for the most part. Again I added some extra salt to the wound here and there but he kept getting so mad…

    Again, you and Durr are great you’ve done a good job this year and have a lot to be proud of. I’m sorry if I offended either one of you, I think you’re both great and have bright futures.

  49. Ed,

    That’s pretty funny because I was laughing the whole time too and if you go back and read my posts you can see that. I do feel like your mention of Campbell in your interview was a bit insulting, but to each his own. You clearly don’t agree. And, yes, I feel completely comfortable putting my team’s accomplishments against NMMA’s. Completely confident. My fighters records and our team accomplishments speak for themselves. They are facts as well. Anyway, this got out of hand with some haters attacking my family which is not acceptable to me. But, yeah, I have had quite a few laughs at some of your posts as well. Good to know that we get a kick out of each other, lmao. Just doing our thing up here and pushing my fighters. So far so good. Things just keep getting better. Take care.

  50. It was an impressive victory because he was the fighter of the year… not meant to be disrepectful to Thomas. Funny stuff and good luck with everything. This made for entertaining dialogue for a lot of people!lol Time for bed…

  51. This has made for some very interesting reading. Thanks for the text Ron but these posting are not by me. LOL
    Some of the people they were talking about, I don’t even know. However, saying and I quote “stomp you into a fuckin mudhole if I see you at any show” is a bit funny. The next show I will be at is March 5 in Paducah, KY. I have ignored several things going on and have even tried to help you. But, jumping to conclusions is taking it a bit far. Don’t make me come back to Clarksville and do shows again. You already know you lose that battle. If you did think you could win you would not ask “what will it take for you to pull out of clarksville”. Most of the post have some truth to them. If your a admin of this site like you say you are, look up the email to the poster that upset you. Other then that do your research before you send me stupid text. You know that you will not back them up. Also , who is this “JOSH” your talking about? By the way, it’s posted here because,,,, this is funny.

  52. Did look up the email and it was listed as stunner fight gear. And, SSF is still doing shows, you’re not. And, your old venue approached us to do shows there. And, you asked me to do show at your brothers bar in Hopkinsville, not the other way around. Still have those texts if anyone’s wondering. So not sure how you figure I lost that one. But to each his own. There were two emails used, one was Josh Shockman’s and one was Stunner, but both emails are linked to IP addresses that point to the Clarksville area. And, we know you had Shockman’s email address. Shockman said not to use his email again, he really doesn’t appreciate being brought into this by you. I know it was you or a couple of your idiot cronies, it’s the same rhetoric use always use. Lol, pretty funny to watch you back pedal now.

  53. Wow!!
    Ron I got your back no matter what my friend, I know the right people we can make things happen if need to….lol.

  54. They approached you in clarksville because I gave them your number and told them you may be interested. I offered the bar in Hopkinsville because we are busy.

    What is the exact address for “stunner” and what server is it pointed to? Anyone can make an address if they have a server, but I use one particular type of server. Also I am not in the Clarksville area. My IP points to KY.

    As far as back pedaling, Back pedaling is when you talk shit about ed’s comments then kiss his ass a few comments later. I have made no stupid comments to you. I have on occasion offered opportunities to you that I could not utilize. Don’t take kindness for weakness.

  55. Lol, at Mike. I was making a sincere effort with Ed to calm this whole thing down because my wife was upset that people were attacking her. Hopefully, very few people saw all the things that were said about her and my children as they have been deleted. But she wouldn’t go to sleep bc she was worried the poster would comment again and it would be up all night for people to see. So, don’t mistake me trying to move this in a different direction for the sake of my wife as weakness. As most guys would who love their wives, I don’t like seeing her upset and once she became the target I felt a responsibility to protect her from more attacks.

    And, I’ve talked to several people about these “opportunities” you “offer” to me, which I’ve never taken you up on, and they have interesting things to tell me. I do feel pretty sure it was you or some of your friends, I have contacted the server companies and hopefully will here back from them regarding the IPs, until then there’s nothing more to talk about.

  56. This is funny.

    First name/ Last name, congratulations for being the biggest idiot in this whole conversation. You are a stain on humanity and should be embarrassed with how stupid you sound. Do this thread and yourself a favor and STFU.

    Ron. I don’t think it is too much to ask for your guy to fight Cory in order to fight Dustin. Cory is a tough guy and one hell of a competitor, he is a world champion BJJ guy at the brown belt level.

    I think it is funny how the coaches on both sides are kinda comparing penis size and posturing, men and their effing ego’s. Funny how Dustin is silent on this. That says a whole lot about his character. He is a man of few words and lets his fighting do the talking for him. It is always the loud mouth coaches trying to puff up their fighters.

    I guess that is just the game though.

    Unfortunately, the game is stupid.

  57. My name is MICHAEL not MIKE. There are enough Mike’s in the area. I hope you do find out who it is and take care of it. Has nothing to do with me. Just make sure you post it here that you found out and who it was. Gotta watch that “slander”. The first I have know this was this morning when i read your texts. When I ran across this thread there was nothing on here about your wife and kids. Therefore, I still do not know what your referring to. I have a family also and would not stoup low like that. They have nothing to do with anything. IF there is anything you would like to add you, josh and ed all have my number, text or call … no more posting here. Have a nice day

  58. I have a solution:

    Cory vs. Durr and if he wins:
    then Cory vs. Thomas (he earned the right)
    If Thomas beats Cory:
    Thomas vs. Ortiz 2 (he earned the right)

    And then, hopefully Ed and Ron can quit comparing cock sizes.

  59. Ed has the bigger gym but I have the bigger penis ; ). Dustin, Durr, Campbell have all shown great character. And you are right this is stupid. Ed and I have two of the better gyms in the state along with Casey Oxindine, IMA, Memphis BJJ and a few others. Nmma and SSF is a Middle TN rivalry and it has always been good natured. We can’t compete on size but we do really well on quality of the fighters we produce.

  60. “First name: Greatest/ Last name: Ever” you are ridiculous. Let’s put aside your comment for a second. The fact that your name is a quote from a cheesy pop song is rather disgusting.

  61. I manage one of the best 170’s in the area…will that help my penis size any? Just wondering…shot in the dark…had to try.

  62. I like your idea entertained. Of course I’d have to clear it with Cory. He also is fighting at 135…

    And just to be clear there’s a few jobs of the coaches/ management. I can care less about puffing my chest out but I want correct information to go out about our guys. In the end my job is to make Dustin as much money as possible. That includes stating our side of the facts when it comes to his fighting or including notable victorys in interviews like the one above.

    It got the response for Dustin I wanted…

  63. I like the set up as well. It would be cool if Thomas Campbell/ Dustin Ortiz fight could happen on the Strikeforce undercard.

    Ed is right about what his job is, I am doing the same thing for my fighters. We both have the same goals when it comes to our guys. Now let’s let this die for now so Ed’s camp and mine can hash out details for the fights.

  64. I don’t think Ed is really comparing cock sizes to Ron. Just speaking the truth which always makes people feel uncomfortable. If Ed was to stay silent like people want him to he’d probably be out of business. It’s called marketing. If you ever want to get a lesson in it, ask Ed. Seriously he can break it down like no other.

    The guy co authored a book with Dan Kennedy on it. Has his own chapter. A lot of what is going on in these comments and his interview was spelled out in the book. Brilliant.

  65. Definitely agree that this sort of stuff can garner fighter’s attention. I’ve been getting calls all morning asking why so many people are using Thomas’s name to garner attention for their fighters, just told them it’s the nature of the beast. We certainly like to bring up notable fighters that Thomas beat, like the guys he fought in HooknShoot, when the opportunities come up. Once again, my problem was not at all with Ed mentioning the Campbell/Ortiz fight but rather the insinuation that Ortiz fought up a weight class for that fight when in fact he came down a weight class for that fight and the insinuation that Ortiz beat ProMMA’s fighter of the year. When they fought Thomas was not ProMMA’s fighter of the year, he was just starting out and was new to SSF and not the fighter he is today. It’s this sort of spin that makes people think his sort of marketing is in the grey. I don’t know how many times or how many ways to set the record straight, I just don’t seem to get anywhere, guess it shouldn’t bother me, all of us know it’s not true but Thomas has worked really hard to achieve what he has and I just think it’s shitty to try and make it look like something different then what it was. People believe what they want to believe. All I can do is hope that some people out there will take the time to read this and realize that Campbell (and Durr) are a couple of great guys with big hearts who deserve credit for fighting hard and being good at it. Not to be given back handed compliments.

  66. gonna be on tapout radio live in an hour… listen in if you get a chance… Eddie Bravo, Dan Hardy will be on there also…

  67. In other news, debi purcell is gonna be on celebrity fit club tonight. it’s on right now actually. haven’t seen her yet though

  68. One thing is for sure reading these comments…. We are supporting our local MMA and it’s fighters! That’s what it’s all about…

  69. TheMad1
    I agree what you posted. “We are supporting our local MMA and its fighters.” That is for sure.

    Ron and Entertained
    As far as comparing penis sizes, We don’t do that at our gym. Maybe that is one of the reasons our gym is bigger.

  70. I have seen that photo of Debi with your shirt Ron that is really cool. Did you guys used to sponsor her?

  71. Yeah, we did years ago. But when she fought in Japan she just put our name on a shirt because she is a friend and had space on her shirt. Like I said she is cool.

  72. When I stopped teaching at SSF, it was not because Ron didn’t pay me. Ron always paid me what i was owed and he always did it when he said he would do it. I have never said anything about that so i have no idea where that came from. When i stopped teaching at SSF it was because me and Ron disagreed on a couple different things. The biggest of which was how to teach the MMA program. My outlook was MMA class was only 60 minutes and i wanted all 60 minutes to be fight training (stand up, submissions, takedowns, etc.) and to leave it up to the people in the class to do cardio outside of that 60 minute window i had to teach them fighting skills. Ron wanted his fighters to be in great shape and to involve cardio drills and things during the class. I can see his point, but i had my own way of wanting to do things and i had already had a fight team that i took to a combined record of 49-16 so i felt good about my way of doing things. But Ron owned the gym, so i left. And i am VERY impressed with Ron’s guys that he has now so he knew something that i didn’t i guess. It never had anything to do with money at all. Me and Ron have had our ups and downs, but Ron has been there for me when he didn’t have too. He has nothing to gain by taking me under his wing, but he has. And i will never forget it. Ed Clay has always been very nice to me and he has been around this sport just as long as i have. I think Ed is very proud of his guys and I think Ron is very proud of his guys, and when you have two guys like that, that are involved in the same sport and that live this close to each other both of them are going to want to prove there the best around. Anyway i just wanted to clear up my part. Peace out guys.

  73. Who Are You Durr? 1 year later? I’m Bill Fay. I’ve been sidelined by injuries for more than a year… Do you really believe that you can sub anyone at NMMA? I would like a shot at your title…!??

  74. Bums? What difference a year makes. I always thought you folks were friendly… I feel a little dirty and icky

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